http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#def3bfda-14c9-4170-83a9-4b68b425a7dd I have worked through trust betrayal issues with partners, but I was definitely slow to trust again. One of the most offensive things in the world to me is dishonesty whether it's omission of key facts or outright lying. That being said, once I told someone it was over I meant it was *really* REALLY over... that he had finally blown *all* of his chances and I was *completely* done. The fact that we had had such an amazing connection at one time certainly made the break up hurt like a bitch though... Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:13:38 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#def3bfda-14c9-4170-83a9-4b68b425a7dd BiteMe 2009-07-03T17:13:38Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#b6909386-a769-4bc2-940d-33a57c44829d OK..this will be a hard task to accomplish. They take a long time to forgive a betrayal..Im in a cusp Taurus/Gem, and my guy is a Taurus. So i have traits from both. I lied to my Bull 1 yr ago, and said some terrible things to him, we had the most amazing relationship that anyone can ever ask for. It was a fairy tale, But yeah My Gem side thought she would screw things up. He is still in my life and I adore him more and more each day, But all that we had we lost..slowly we are trying to get it back, Im very impatient and sometimes I feel like giving up and then he comes around and reminds me about what we had and how we can get it back....If you love her and she loves you, she will come around, but it will take time, maybe lots of time. Take it slow, act happy around her, send her roses for no reason and just write "thinking of you" take it slow. One thing about Taurus is that they are big on trust and once you break that its very hard to get it back. And maybe you can but there is a chance you can't. Good Luck Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:04:42 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#b6909386-a769-4bc2-940d-33a57c44829d IntellectualBrat 2009-06-23T17:04:42Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#3f82bb03-c00b-4e3c-90d2-3761d52514ef good on you Christoff l had the same thought's ,but if you do you will have to be very clever , and that requires a alooooooooooot..... .of patience. me deep down would love my friend to finally come to terms with the fact we are meant to be close , but in the mean time l need to make my life move forward . so please live yours at the same time ,and every so often send her a note to let her know your still there, in that sense you will not have lost any of your life if she meets someone knew. Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:31:34 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#3f82bb03-c00b-4e3c-90d2-3761d52514ef rocrab68 2008-09-15T12:31:34Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#369fbe96-1f57-4207-a6cf-a0a93255acf1 Thanks Lexie, and thanks again all good Taurus people. But you know what, i'm going to do my best to make it up to her, I can tell from her reply she's angry but if she was REALLY angry she wouldn't have bothered or would have just said f-off. I don't care if it pushes her further away, she meant a lot to me, i loved her with my heart and soul and want to treat her right for once, even if too late. I'll let it go if need be, but persistence pays, and fortune favours the brave, and she is worth it. Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:14:49 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#369fbe96-1f57-4207-a6cf-a0a93255acf1 christoff 2008-09-15T09:14:49Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#964c798e-f0d2-4f63-82df-97bf9ad555b5 You'll get that sometimes. Some people will take an olive branch and try to make things better, but other people just freak and can't deal with the concept of sitting down and talking it out- it's like it kicks some social anxiety into overdrive and you can hear the screaming from them even through written word. You'll just have to let this one go. Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:37:01 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#964c798e-f0d2-4f63-82df-97bf9ad555b5 Lexie 2008-09-14T18:37:01Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#5a47ef99-43a6-4bbc-9d39-e721ddec11a9 Chris went through the same thing, to be honest you have said your bit, and trust me when these Taurus guys cut you out there life they mean it, so the best thing you can do now is start healing , because no amount of begging will change it, she will pull away more. l spent three months trying to be friends with my situation , then l just found self respect, she will make you beg and still not change her mind . if lm wrong then sue me , but Joking aside ,if you knew what l did you would understand walk away know heal! if she contacts you fair enough, but do not contact her, l mean it. the friend l was involved in was asking about me to a friend recently , but l am done with that ,their to stubborn , plus their a fixed sign , so they ain't changing once you have all your chances. Best wishes , l am just getting over mine and relieved. Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:00:33 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#5a47ef99-43a6-4bbc-9d39-e721ddec11a9 rocrab68 2008-09-14T01:00:33Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#2c36e3b7-baa8-47e5-8774-2db7efcc1490 Hi Katie, your reply REALLY helped. Thank you so much for your thorough and meaningful reply - it clarified a few things. Basically what I did to her is about 1/3 of the way down this page. To update: I sent her a handwritten letter (on parchment) saying: - I acted selfish and out of insecurity -I am truly sorry, and -I really appreciate the kindness and patience she showed. No reply after a month, so I decided to just send her a txt (as Lexie suggested), "I'd like to discuss what happened. I hope we can chat some time" And here is her reply - "what do you want from me?! You betrayed and hurt me. Hearing your voice would only make things worse. I have no time for it. I have nothing to say to you, and there is nothing I want to hear". So correct me if i'm wrong but I think I have to just let it go now. Thanks again all for your upfront advice Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:18:17 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#2c36e3b7-baa8-47e5-8774-2db7efcc1490 christoff 2008-09-14T00:18:17Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#c8d898c8-bc64-4258-ad8b-64b09aceb911 Hi Katie, your reply REALLY helped. Thank you for your thorough and meaningful words. Basically what I did to hurt her is about 1/3 of the way down this page (of course there's more to it though). Thank you also for clarifying some things. Well to update I sent her a handwritten letter (on parchment) saying: - I acted selfish and out of insecurity, -I am truly sorry, and -I really appreciate the kindness and patience she showed. No reply after a month, so I decided to just send her a txt (as Lexie suggested), "I'd like to discuss what happened. I hope we can chat some time" And here is her reply - "what do you want from me?! You betrayed and hurt me. Hearing your voice would only make things worse. I have no time for it. I have nothing to say to you, and there is nothing I want to hear". So correct me if i'm wrong guys but I think I have to just let it go. Thanks again everyone for your upfront advice. Sun, 14 Sep 2008 00:16:24 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#c8d898c8-bc64-4258-ad8b-64b09aceb911 christoff 2008-09-14T00:16:24Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#a537314c-6f45-4429-9f74-22a6a537da0d Sorry all this started because some old hag told her l said my friend said she was a drunk and was it true. when l left next thing l knew got a text when l got home saying she never wished to see me again , after many texts it was real bad, lm a trainer , also and a client came over and trained with me for one week of the two week holiday, and she seem to be jealous of this crazy its my work, so that was another problem , she seemed obsessed with me. ..out of control , so went to a club to party she text me to say be good while l was there , and in the morning l told her to stop harassing me l am sleeping, Bad l know , but how the hell can she over power me with constant attention yet l am not allowed to move freely , she has a man so do l , so l understood this to be a discreet fling, although she wanted to know my every wee abouts and to eat and asleep with her every night l was on holiday there , but her man was there he is fifty , but also her manager, it got embarrassing, you get this you Taurus guy's l thought cancer was the Drama prom's., and l was falling in Love , that was messing with my head. needed to think to Fast .. the whole thing anyone remember ( fatal Attraction) no joke! Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:50:40 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#a537314c-6f45-4429-9f74-22a6a537da0d rocrab68 2008-08-23T02:50:40Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#df695fd7-b846-43d1-a542-7c2eb5ef6622 Hi Guys thanks a lot , the opinions varied but l think Katie you have the wrong Person , this is a girl on girl thing, and Dina you seem to have got the drift of the situation, l have tried to talk sent emails song's as she is a singer etc... and the final conclusion was to say to her that (l have tried everything to bring us closer and nothing as worked , miss you) , she replied ( you did many things wrong! )l replied stating we should of discussed what this was a relationship or friendship and now l know you don't like others to know your Business, she replied , l need time maybe years lm not ready to be in contact with you. so l have made the choice to leave it there ,and told her so as, lm tied of chasing and her teasing me, then sending hope with the odd text wink kisssing me or call when l last stayed at the hotel in June. l will leave her alone now as dina said , see if she comes to find me in October when l arrive ,as l will stay out of view, its the only thing that seems to raise her curiosity. if she hates me so much why does she tease , and ask why l am not sitting with her when l try to just have a drink in the ar were she sings , land when l did sit with her ,act like lm not there when were together, etc . etc.. yeah ! l know lm being played but we have all been there! , but l keep hearing when its over taurus would not give you the time or day, so why the mind games then ? We had a wonderful time but if she did not love me ,why does she find it hard to be near me , if l don't care for someone it does not bother me either way. Right!???... Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:38:00 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#df695fd7-b846-43d1-a542-7c2eb5ef6622 rocrab68 2008-08-23T02:38:00Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#65adca7b-8616-4ced-8300-b933959bfb7f Hey Christoff, This is a tough one. Once it is made it is made. Taureans are very patient and dependable BUT we have a line and when you go over that line there really is no going back. It is going to take time. It depends how bad the betrayal was. If you cheated forget about it and move on because she will never look, touch, or feel the same way about you again. It just won't happen. If it was something that you just should have known better then you can try to correct the error of your ways with time and slow methods of contact. If you push you will NOT i repeat NOT get anywhere and her feelings towards you will never change. The letter is a great idea. As much as taureans value possessions they can't dismiss heartfelt, sincere gifts as simple as they are. When time is given and shown in the gift the taurus gal will know how much effort you made. She will analyze that letter, from the writing, to the words, the scent, the colour, the texture and the length. But always remember quality over quantity. Be incredibly honest and admit the error of your ways literally. If you apologize but don't explain how you feel that you did wrong then she will read it as a begging letter cuz you just can't live without her cuz she knows as a Taurus woman she has a lot to offer and many men want what she has. If after a few attempts and you get nowhere, im sorry but you must let go because she did sometime ago. Then you are in the hands of time, im talking min 1 year at least before she will consider talking to you. When it's her birthday send her a card, a note or something to let her know that you are thinking of her. Literally say this as well. And also that you hope she is happy and all is going well in her life. Taureans don't like bitterness in all kinds and if you show a generous heart when you are suffering yourself she can't help but respond BUT it will depend on what you did. I hope this helps. Being a Taurus woman myself I know once my mind is made up thats it. A true taurean will not knock back plain old common sense. Suggestions are always best rather than direct orders. So my friend you will have to be subtle and open indeed. Katie Sat, 23 Aug 2008 01:11:45 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#65adca7b-8616-4ced-8300-b933959bfb7f katie 2008-08-23T01:11:45Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#9c9d6d82-1ce7-4e88-b5ce-8a309b6aab52 If I say stop and the other person keeps going, I drop them like a ton of bricks. You screwed this one up. Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:26:43 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#9c9d6d82-1ce7-4e88-b5ce-8a309b6aab52 Mayo 2008-08-22T21:26:43Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#0f3c8363-2e96-44ab-baed-450581b2b2be Sounds like obsession, not love. Though some would argue that obsession is a form of love. Stay away from this whole scenario. And the story sort of comes off like this women is psycho in love with you and all these circumstances are happening to you...but what you need to realize is that you had an equal and heavy hand in this whole situation. Take responsibility for your actions, the people you hurt...and step up to end the drama. BTW, Taurii don't fall hopelessly in love with people when we get NO reciprocation back. Come on now... Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:29:03 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#0f3c8363-2e96-44ab-baed-450581b2b2be Lexie 2008-08-22T17:29:03Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#fb2cda6e-92c7-45a4-b61f-2f95d1a9e761 Why would we change our mind? We're right aren't we? :-) Seriously, I'm my experience, we're slow to decide but also slow to change our opinion once we've decided. Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:27:39 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#fb2cda6e-92c7-45a4-b61f-2f95d1a9e761 Mark 2008-08-22T16:27:39Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#22eea70e-c6af-4021-82a2-fe2bf23ec406 It sounds like you have some drama going on. As a taurus girl, I'd do what she did at the beginning. I would let them know that I was interested. Then when there isn't a reply (or they start blocking any of your contact - that's a tell-tale sign ohbytheway) I'd let it go. You two seemed to hook up pretty well there. Hanging around enjoying your time together. But you mention that you got overwhelmed by it at one point - but you are planning on going back in Oct. So, maybe in the moment it was overwhelming, but after you left, you found you really enjoyed her. I think the boyfriend she is with is scared she is going to leave him - but I'm not sure about your fiance's reaction on that. The part where you let her know, hey, I'm coming is your way of reaching out to her - like she did with you at the beginning. For me not having resolved/said everything I would need to say to you, I would definitely come find you in Oct. I would need to have the face to face time with you to work thru it all. It doesn't sound like you did anything to really "betray" her and because I am not reading that, I would guess you have a chance. I wouldn't push for a deep conversation by text/phone at the present moment because she did let you know she needs time. When someone keeps bringing up emotional stuff that I am not ready to discuss, I start distancing myself from them because it becomes overwhelming for me. But I think contacting in a week or two letting her know I would love to see you in Oct because I miss you and would like to hang out - would you consider arranging some time to see me. Because you may get further giving her the control and power to make the decision fo where and when. As for the boyfriend who is causing crap or the nosey friend who wants your schedule - it isn't their business. If you think they would do something to upset you two being able to meet - then it isn't in your best interest to give them a heads up that you are coming. I think when you meet face to face you could explain what happened with her boyfriend fiasco - or not. I am not sure I would want to hear that as much as I would like to hear how much you miss me and that you are sorry for the hurt feelings that happened before you left - and what you would do differently from this time forward. Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:23:50 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#22eea70e-c6af-4021-82a2-fe2bf23ec406 Dina 2008-08-22T15:23:50Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#b691bc2f-8067-42cd-92cd-5c326d0cac8f hi there. this is a tough one for me to comment on...cancers are the one sign that i always have terrible luck with, both as lovers and friends. why? they are way too sensitive for me, too prone to drama, and our communication styles never mesh...i am too brutally honest and bottom line and they always end up getting their feelings hurt by "the bull". yes, i am capable and willing to change my mind...but there would have to be compelling reasons for me to even consider changing my mind. i don't take betrayal lightly, however, so if it's a matter of a trust/betrayal issue, i definitely would NOT change my mind. honestly....after reading your posting and the subsequent postings, all i can think is "wow, that's way too much drama for me". things just don't need to be that complicated. Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:17:07 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#b691bc2f-8067-42cd-92cd-5c326d0cac8f $item.owner.firstName 2008-08-22T15:17:07Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#ae2250ce-d916-4883-8cf7-379c24bcab3c So you asked me for advice but it is hard to speak for a female Taurus. Astrology aside, something is seriously wrong with the situation and I think you should get out. Enjoy your fiancee if you can and avoid this woman altogether. There is fun drama and bad drama. This sounds like bad drama that will never stop, at least while you're in the picture. I'd say with you being a cancer which means you're one of the more sensitive signs of the zodiac you'll end up investing way too much emotion into someone who isn't in the right mindset to make decisions about love currently. She's very conflicted from the sounds of it about a great many things relating to intimacy and it may end up dragging you down and possibly ruining your relationship with your fiance if that isn't ruined already. Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:06:54 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#ae2250ce-d916-4883-8cf7-379c24bcab3c Rayn 2008-08-22T15:06:54Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#3fa66868-c0c1-4a2a-a3c8-a8448a4c8dc1 l have since returned again,and all of the pretense to fly out to see her as a friend, to my fiance and lie's and phone calls , every night , she seemed to forget in a whisk . l have tried to reason with her ,while there , tried to talk with her but all l get is a blank cold look and no emotion , the total oppressive to how we meet. but my fiance was there a few days before me, and she wanted to know if l was coming there and she would wake him at One am in the morning after singing asking if l was there.,even when he said he was not sure l was coming, she still came back the next night asking the same question and she would not go in the room to talk, as she said to him its not allowed when l did arrive ,she came knocking again and pushed her way in ,totally different to what she said she could not do and she just spoke to me randomly with a longing stare's , all this after telling me three weeks prior ,that she hoped she would never see me again!.and Hated! me. Next seven days after my guy left for work back in the UK ,was followed with a assault of flirting with another girl in front of me , no contact while l was there alone and sending her man over to get me to sit with her only to play it cold and not Talk CRAZY!.:-( he ( Saggi) does everything she wants ,he his like her Dog ! but l know he knows thats how to keep her. She and l went to dinner one night without him and she said she slept with many women casually and married at 18 into a turbulent relationship , and came to EGYPT THEN , THATS HOW SHE MEET THIS MANAGER who is her emotional support also , we talked for hours , she cried while talking of her previous marriage, but before we knew it it was 4-am in the morning it was wonderful l felt totally in love Mad!,!,she called him after he said he would come and get her ,but he ignored her calls knowing she would not stay with me that night if he did not answer, as it would make her worry,with security about so l told her after we Hitched a lift to go back to the Hotel l told her to go to her room, she was so angry with her man ,as she wanted to stay with me badly. in the morning she said he that he was drunk etc etc.. yeah right! he got his result , he knows how to manipulate her.! She came to my room the next night after singing he followed her , it ended with him trying to kiss her in the hall of my room and her saying leave her alone , and she told him she wanted to be with me that night , to be honest it was every night, l could tell it was killing him but he just kept it inside. l know now she really fell hard for me, and never expected to ,and now she hates me for making her feel insecure ,because it was to much pressure for me and l knew everyone knew what was happening ,and every one was curious ,so hung out with other guest ,and leave early from the bar to get away ,but she would still want to be with me it was crazy ! t as it stands she won't allow friendship in any capacity, although l can tell she is fighting to not like me , as a complaint came in about her behavior towards a guest in the toilets, while l was away by email to the management,and she seems to think it's all from me.l did tell her to be careful and now its finally happened. l have tried to build the bridges, and she did give into me a little which gave me hope ,but very slowly with just the odd sign that she still likes me, with kisses on the cheek ,and wink kissed me to my mobile one night, l suppose she was thinking of me after all she was only across the pool with her man in her room and this email as freaked her and allowed him to say she cannot go near me as it must be me. but he caused us to fight again just before l left by telling her l sent him a text to say unless me and her could get on l could not see me coming back! he told me to call him and now he as used it to break her trust in me ,all that work and he takes it away in one sweep, thing his lm so honest and he just messes with her head because he knows he can, we recently sms the other night l told her l will give her time as she said she may need years to recover, l go back in October and l have told her this but will not attempt to talk with her. A, does she really love me b, tell me what are the signs regards to the above to tell if we have a chance to be close again, ? c This Scorpio woman who is close to her keeps asking if me if she and l are in touch and she flys out this weekend ,but my friends think ?she as a jealous streak and like the saggi boyfriend may use my info to her advantage ,shall l tell her anything ? Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:33:16 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#3fa66868-c0c1-4a2a-a3c8-a8448a4c8dc1 rocrab68 2008-08-22T14:33:16Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#4b2c4490-0dd5-410b-b7d8-8f9d0a01adce Can l get your views on this awkward situation please! cannot carry on trying tio figure it my self , same as chris l am cancer born 30th june she taurus born 24th april, l need big input as its as l do not understand a woman in love with a woman as l always go for guys' , so being confronted with my own tactics when in love as a woman is hard to work-out ,as we women play a lot of mind games. l cannot workout whats real or not , This Russian Taurus at the moment is pretty awful, its driving me crazy, bit long winded but give it your best shot.! l meet her( Taurus) in Dec 2007 after christmas day so drunk but happy .she was singing in the bar were she works, guys around me saying shes hot ! l said out loud she is gay big time !, were all laughing then she starts to walk over to me everyones like Ooohhhhh... and l knew l was right from that moment ,my heart was racing ,l knew my (Cancer) intuition was right. S**t .. then she did declared to me she was into me in a big way the next morning l was leaving my holiday,kinda freaked me, She harassed me for six whole weeks with text's messages and phone call's but l did reply after a while and got drawn in .she kept telling me of her love and passion to see me and text flirting . l have never thought of a woman this way or considered it , Well after much pressure and deliberation with freinds , stupid me went, l can make this work as mates,as l don't do women so its cool l like her,plus l have a reason to learn a laugage now as she is Russian, l went back to visit her to see how l felt about the whole thing as it was so intense that l could not stop thinking about her,. after a few solid drinks it happend, and to be honest in the morning l was in a daze it was amazing and so different , for her she said she never had such an intense experience with any other women or man she had slept with.From there on ,could not get her out my room she took every opportunity to be with me for fourteen days we never left each others side while l stayed at the hotel were she worked, so much so ,it got a bit to much for me at the end. l had her breaking down into a bag of tears and telling me not to leave and all sorts of drama , she even got drunk as not to face the pain of seeing me leave for the airport. After my arrival home my fiance told me she had text him to say she missed us and she never had a friend like me and how much she loved me more than her self! me HORROR!  Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:56:05 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#4b2c4490-0dd5-410b-b7d8-8f9d0a01adce rocrab68 2008-08-22T13:56:05Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#ad63e2d5-cb0b-48e6-99c6-bb1a652030d1 I am a taurus and I would say no, not really. If you have brought another woman into the mix somehow then it is near impossible to change her mind. If she found out you have asked so many people to help you get her back, via this website, she would dig that atleast. good luck Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:37:20 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#ad63e2d5-cb0b-48e6-99c6-bb1a652030d1 shannon 2008-08-01T20:37:20Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#1dffeb33-6f42-49ec-99da-143faaef16af exactly Fri, 18 Jul 2008 04:07:43 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#1dffeb33-6f42-49ec-99da-143faaef16af christoff 2008-07-18T04:07:43Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#74d6b42f-1ac7-4851-97ef-5ce55c99ff4e Well.. a rule of them when involved with a Taurus (male/female) is once you've betrayed them.. it is extremely challenging to regain their trust and loyalty. These are characteristics that are held close and personal to all types.. I for one rarely give someone another chance if the Taurus loyalty is crossed in a bad manner.. Thu, 17 Jul 2008 07:06:38 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#74d6b42f-1ac7-4851-97ef-5ce55c99ff4e Atcandéla 2008-07-17T07:06:38Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#1f64ff5f-90aa-47d2-b81a-d7b21167c847 umm - i missed your "what I did" post towards the top. DOH! I didn't realize it was pushing your point of view and that is something my ex would do that drove me nuts! I enjoy hearing opinions of others (because it is interesting to hear where someone is coming from) but when it came to I am right and you are wrong type of tones, I wouldn't be as open to hear his opinion because I now need to defend mine. Just because I didn't agree with him didn't mean that I was wrong in my perspective, but he would try his hardest to convince me that my way wasn't the correct way. I would try to change the topic, he'd keep pressing the issue and I would not filter any of my opinions at that point and let him know why I won't agree with his point of view (yeah, I'd add a log to the fire). When he did continue (because he just wouldn't get it) I would walk away or tell him to leave because I really have nothing to say. He knew I needed some time (a few hours to a couple of days, depending on how it ended). Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:15:04 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#1f64ff5f-90aa-47d2-b81a-d7b21167c847 Dina 2008-07-14T19:15:04Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#251f998e-2620-4adb-9492-06f0673237c9 He started getting distant, I would call, he'd say let me call you back in 10 mins and then he'd call the following week. That game got old pretty quick, so I called once a week for 3 weeks then we just stopped talking (February). He's stubborn by trait too so neither of us went to pick up the phone to call. It wasn't until June that he said hi in an IM. I wouldn't have reached out even then, but he brought the olive branch first and I wouldn't think of not accepting it because it isn't in my nature to blow someone off when someone is being sincere. We have had couple of sleepovers in the last few weeks, so after the time it did work. You originally ask "after trust has been betrayed" - but I have forgiven folks when they have lied/betrayed my trust, but that did take a lot of work to win me back over enough to not have any anger or resentment towards the person. If I didn't get through my hurt and anger with him, we would barely be talking in IM. Now I am curious, what did you do to make her angry? Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:00:40 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#251f998e-2620-4adb-9492-06f0673237c9 Dina 2008-07-14T19:00:40Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#1f45a397-daa2-4def-ac07-2ff41e49bdf9 Wow thank you for your wise words. I still remember her favourite flower, so that will accompany the letter. But to be honest I don't think there is any bigger mistake I could have made than betraying our pact. Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:30:36 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#1f45a397-daa2-4def-ac07-2ff41e49bdf9 christoff 2008-07-12T01:30:36Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#f1710f14-e9d5-479f-93a5-33fe4e815937 nice one, thanks Dina. Did you also tell him that you never wanted to speak to him again or did you just break it off? Sat, 12 Jul 2008 01:20:35 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#f1710f14-e9d5-479f-93a5-33fe4e815937 christoff 2008-07-12T01:20:35Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#eb91c273-4825-4f7a-b449-62b8e1cf217a you win the thread. Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:07:15 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#eb91c273-4825-4f7a-b449-62b8e1cf217a Rayn 2008-07-09T23:07:15Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#ff06acb3-32bf-4d99-b41a-9ff21efdc174 they can change it . . . you can't! Wed, 09 Jul 2008 21:32:53 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#ff06acb3-32bf-4d99-b41a-9ff21efdc174 Artistpriestess 2008-07-09T21:32:53Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#0790e726-d83f-4835-89a2-4f6c23d0026c I've been charged at before ;) Tue, 08 Jul 2008 08:03:13 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#0790e726-d83f-4835-89a2-4f6c23d0026c christoff 2008-07-08T08:03:13Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#0ff59616-b14b-4901-9ce3-cb4270c0a803 Rayn your words meant a lot. I've hurt her before a couple of times in the same way, so while she follows astrology in a big way, I think the issue here is that even though I care for her so much, I cared for myself even more. Re: using nice paper- absolutely, I will use a fountain pen (we both have a love of good quality pens) and some high quality parchment and envelope. "Hand deliver ninja style."- lol I used to be a ninja, unfortunately I will have to mail it to her since I don't want it to come across as stalker-ish and she has been stalked in the past. In fact this is a concern since as you said I will have to give it time, its been a month so far and I think she'll need at least two more, just hoping she won't have moved by the time I send it. Tue, 08 Jul 2008 07:54:48 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#0ff59616-b14b-4901-9ce3-cb4270c0a803 christoff 2008-07-08T07:54:48Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#c68c74e5-802e-44e0-8a58-02f992f560f8 Honestly, Rayn, you sound so much like me, it hurts. You would think we were born on the same day or something ;) A lovely letter can melt my heart like very little else. Accompanied by my favorite flower, even better. But time is HUGE! No matter how fabulous and wonderful a person is, if they don't give me enough time to search out my true feelings, they will get the default- a deep annoyance and desire to flee. I am a softie, and a sucker for anyone who is genuinely learning a big lesson. It sounds like you are doing just that, Christoff, and also as if there were much bigger mistakes that you could have made. I would encourage you to do just what Rayn said, keeping in mind that you can lead a bull to water, just like a horse (well, actually, you have to let the bull think it's their idea to go to the water in the first place), but you can't make 'em take that first sip. Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:59:35 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#c68c74e5-802e-44e0-8a58-02f992f560f8 Helena 2008-07-08T00:59:35Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#4c445671-9c1f-4f87-ad5c-7329b79a56a7 Yeah, time passes differently in the Taurus universe. If you sit back and take a week, a month, maybe even ore to really think things out, then write a very well thought out (not email!) letter regarding how you feel (if she's into astrology at all she should know Cancer's are SENSITIVE and can be prone to emotional outbursts that make perfect sense to them at the time but come across as childish and bordering disrespectful to a Taurus. If you decide to listen to me make the letter special, not just in the writing (which will always be the most important part) but the kind of paper and envelope you use. Get the lease prefab looking stuff possible, maybe a nice parchment from a paper store and an interesting envelope. The more hand made you can go the better. Hand deliver ninja style. It can be funny or serious, just make sure its consistent with who you are, make it something that won't sound whiny and be totally prepared for it not to work and be ok with that. It could totally be destroyed and the more you push the less likely anything will ever happen again so make your one play and leave it at that unless she responds in some fashion of course. The time thing is literally more of a chance to let them cool down and think things over as well. If that process gets interrupted too early while the bull is still bearing down horns out then you reset the clock each time if not get the clock crushed. Mon, 07 Jul 2008 01:43:40 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#4c445671-9c1f-4f87-ad5c-7329b79a56a7 Rayn 2008-07-07T01:43:40Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#33ddd5d0-23e2-4eca-bb8a-77a37144d587 I am a taurus woman and my capricorn bf screwed up a lot. I told him we were done (and I did mean it). We just went for dinner two weeks ago and the conversation happened in February. He gave me the time I needed because I never really hated him, just knew we didn't work out in a relationship well enough. give it time (like captain obvious suggests) and you will be able to get some face time to work it out. Sun, 06 Jul 2008 23:35:23 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#33ddd5d0-23e2-4eca-bb8a-77a37144d587 Dina 2008-07-06T23:35:23Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#6c7ad8c0-ba29-4fbc-9598-aabf08127144 It all depends... if she is 100% sure that shes done with u... then shes done with u! she wont change her mind... but if her heart is still in it then u have a chance. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:17:23 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#6c7ad8c0-ba29-4fbc-9598-aabf08127144 WilliamsM 2008-07-05T23:17:23Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#15df52b3-6e75-453a-96d5-027c59ff4bfd Sounds like U just freaked her out. Not as big a deal as if U cheated on her or stole from her something like that. My advice: give it a little time, see how you/she feel once you have spent some time apart. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 21:50:59 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#15df52b3-6e75-453a-96d5-027c59ff4bfd $item.owner.firstName 2008-07-05T21:50:59Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#052dac00-60c5-4de6-b420-0d9a87879fb9 Captain Obvious to the rescue! Thanks Lexie. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:43:42 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#052dac00-60c5-4de6-b420-0d9a87879fb9 christoff 2008-07-05T10:43:42Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#fa0d10c8-78f2-439c-b4c3-f0c6abd277bf We got to know each other as friends for a year and fell in love (and even dreamt about each other regularly and shared our dreams), before I finally made a move. So our bond was pretty deep. How I betrayed her trust: we had made a pact not to push it further if things got too intense. We had an argument and I pushed, and kept pushing for some stupid and definitely selfish reason. She hung up on me, I then called her back several times trying to force the issue. I think as soon as she saw that aspect of me come out, she made up her mind on the spot that I was an inconsiderate jerk and wanted nothing more to do with it. I am selfish but i'm working on it. But from what I have read so far it seems that I just have to let this one go. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 10:40:55 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#fa0d10c8-78f2-439c-b4c3-f0c6abd277bf christoff 2008-07-05T10:40:55Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#726cb2fd-907a-4ef6-bc4b-d8546e16cefc 1. If it was that bad, you're screwed. 2. If it wasn't THAT bad, you can't push her into changing her mind. Best you can do is stay in the background, give her little hints of things to think about. Like a phone message once per two weeks saying something like, "I'd like to talk about what happened. I hope you will meet with me some time." In order to change our minds, we need an offer and we need lots of time to think on it. Hints, cajoling is the only way to bring us around if you're lucky. 3. You probably should try to avoid doing things that make people dump you on the spot, if they mean that much to you. (not trying to be snotty, just Captain Obvious). Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:14:09 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#726cb2fd-907a-4ef6-bc4b-d8546e16cefc Lexie 2008-07-05T04:14:09Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#d3741f97-b1f8-4a47-9057-3934bcc30917 tough luck man, im a taurus and ive dated one, at best wait a month or two before you can even get a positive conversation with her. even then bring chocolate or something kind of present and be slow about it. if she doesnt trust you all defenses are up and a stuborn bull is likly to charge, this could hurt. be careful.~peace Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:44:02 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#d3741f97-b1f8-4a47-9057-3934bcc30917 justin 2008-07-05T01:44:02Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#02456954-89d0-41eb-96da-b4cc8d24483c Tough one. Can you be more specific about how you betrayed her trust? In general, I can change my mind, but it's not particularly likely and it doesn't happen quickly. W/respect to situations like you (however vaguely) describe above, I'm talking a matter of several months or years. It also depends on how long you were together -- people fall for me almost instantly (if they're going to at all) but it takes me (again) months or years to catch up & really feel embedded in a relationship. So in the beginning (the 1st couple of years maybe) it doesn't take that much for me to back out. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:16:32 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#02456954-89d0-41eb-96da-b4cc8d24483c $item.owner.firstName 2008-07-05T00:16:32Z http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#a622037c-08b3-46c3-ac39-0202fbbe025e Hi all good taurus people, i'm a cancer with virgo rising, aries moon and recently hurt my taurus gf enough for her to break up and say she never wants to speak to me again. I betrayed her trust. We had an amazing connection, especially when we went hiking in nature or cooked together. I want to write her a letter and be honest but suspect that this will just come across as desperate and drive her further away. Are there any taureans out there who have changed their mind for a partner after they've had their trust betrayed? Thanks in advance, Christoff Sat, 05 Jul 2008 00:01:15 GMT http://bullsign.tribe.net/thread/b62f4136-074a-4f19-a00e-a7cead2ae3f2#a622037c-08b3-46c3-ac39-0202fbbe025e christoff 2008-07-05T00:01:15Z